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i just got logic 8 and i'm considering doing all my production in that and only using live for performance. although i love the quickness of live i just don't quite feel like the production quality is there. there are many issues in making the comparison i suppose, such as how the sound engines/VSTs etc. of the two programs compare or how convenient live functions such as warping effect audio. i was quite amazed when i bounced my first ableton files into logic and they were all clipping away. things such as this make go hmmm...
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Re: Live vs. Logic
Fri, May 30, 2008 - 6:26 PMI would love to hear more about your experiences with the two. Have you upgraded to Live 7 as of yet? I really like the way the new mix engine sounds and its re-vamped compressor is really good sounding in addition to being a minor hit to the CPU. I am contemplating the purchase of a Mac Pro sometime soon (I still use a G4 Powerbook) and often think of having it bundled with Logic. Ableton is a hell of a scratch-pad but, I understand Logic or DP is the way to go when finalizing one's work.....at least that was the case until 7 came out. I have been real happy with it and am not 100% sure of the necessity for the move to Logic. I hate learning curves when taking on a new program.
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Re: Live vs. Logic
Fri, May 30, 2008 - 7:50 PMLive is phenomenal for linear editing if you pay attention to gain structures, etc. I've used a bunch of different programs all the way back to old school Cubase, SONAR, and Cakewalk. Nothing yet that I've seen can do what Live does if you have the patience to dig deep into the program.
The clipping is probably a matter of the manner in which you mix in Live - because of its dithering and summing capabilities it can trick the ear into thinking things sound better than than they really do. The acoustics of the room you compose/mix in, the headphones you use, the monitors you use, etc - these will all color the sound and with Live's new audio engine masking a lot of those transients it is a temptation to run it into the red because it still sounds "good."
Carl is on the money when it comes to mixing in Live - you really have to watch the levels across the board and keep the master completely out of the red to get a good clean mix then put the tracks to the mixing and mastering test after that.
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Re: Live vs. Logic
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 1:44 PMIts absolutely possible to get quality, clean mixes out of Live without the need to dump files into another daw for mixdown. As long as use your warp mode correctly and use high quality oversampling modes for the eqs (or use quality 3rd party ones) then you're ok.
Logic has a very immediate crispy clean sound right from the get go. But it also sounds very much "Like Logic". Almost too clean, Imo.
It just comes down to what you're most comfortable working with and how you usually work.
What I think is that Logic excells in Midi functionality but is very sub-par far using audio chunks and audio editing type of stuff. Where is, Live totally excells at anything having to do with audio but the midi functionality isn't quite as good. It's tight for sure. But just dosnt have alot of the same functionality as some other daws.
I also think that Logics sequencer timeline and workflow is not as fast and intuitive as Live's. And definately not as fun to use either. -
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Re: Live vs. Logic
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 7:06 PMOn a similar note, I had been using Digidesign product since '93, ending with an 02 unit and a mac 733. I purchased Ableton 4, and promptly kicked the "Digi Habit". Ease of use, Sound quality, and Flexibility! Yes! Logic (for me) always seemed to be WAAAAY too complicated, and pricey as well... it's a shame I can't use my powercore card with it though..
I have yet to try out Ableton 7, but I found that on past versions that the Ableton channel levels seem to all run "high" by comparison. I just knock them all down a bit beforehand, and work from there....sometimes I even set up the output of the machine running Ableton like it is an actual instrument, and record into another program like Logic to help with that "cleanliness" issue.. you can even route the signal through old pedals, amps or whatever for real fun...
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Re: Live vs. Logic
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 3:10 PMI use both,for their advantages I agree Live is more intuitive and for editing samples it can not be beat,
Logic has the quality control I am looking for, + great instruments and effects
Live is almost to fast all my tracks in Live are serious add, Logic seems, well more logical to me -
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Re: Live vs. Logic
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 6:04 PMI gotta say that since my last posting I have been liking my mixes more and more from Live 7. I already have 3rd party plugs coming out of my ears so I am not really sure about the necessity of getting Logic for more plugs still. -
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Re: Live vs. Logic
Wed, August 20, 2008 - 4:32 PMPerhaps here, the problem with Live could be it's easy of use. Especially with audio. When I use logic, I usually run my instruments, in all their glory without bouncing the audio, taking advantage of the sound engine as much as possible and making only careful compositional decisions. With Live 6, I commit more to nuanced audio that I like and bounce often, and also bouncing different combinations and constantly creating loops that I drag into folders along the left. This inspires me, it also inspired future tunes with those saved clips....
With that said, I work much faster and I feel much more on the edge of my creative mind Live, so to speak... I use Logic when I know exactly what I want and go to compose something that I already have in mind...
BTW. I make proggy psychedelic music.
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