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so, when you're ready to render your tracks into a wave file, and you want your song to have the "umph" that you intend, but not lose anything important... which compression program do you use?.. or, do you use one in live?
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Re: compression programs?
Mon, September 3, 2007 - 4:20 PMI highly recommend not compressing the track overall. I've heard people state this on some other boards, but compression has brought us to the land of "whet the hell are dynamics (variances in musical volume)?" If you over compress, you get no dynamics. I get all the umph I need from minimal use of compression where I want it in the track. Sad thing about compressing in live is that there is no side chaining (yet - fingers crossing and all). Now, all this depends on the style of music that you're making IMHO. If you're making bangin' arse Trance or hard house, go ahead and max out the compression. But if it's something more subtle, you might want to use compression more sparingly as I do on your drums and your bass lines to make sure that they don't muddy up. If you need to make something stand out more that is too quiet in the mix, try saturation - it works well for me.
I'm not savvy on any plug in compression right now. Sorry if I'm more spouting my opinion than helping, but this is an issue that I take to heart. I miss dynamics. -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 6:45 PMno no, I do appriciate your info... saturation is something I'm new to... so, I see this as really utilizing a thread. thanks.
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 6:14 AMdude.....u are helping out people by expressing ur opinions.... -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 9:17 AMOkay, okay. Thanks for saying.
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Re: compression programs?
Wed, September 5, 2007 - 12:56 PMDon't use compression on the Master output. Use A limiter if anything. If you want a sort of magical ARS style limiting then I highly recommend either the PSP Vintage Warmer, Waves L-2 Ultramaximizer, Wavearts Final Plug (much cheaper than waves as well), or Izotope's Ozone.
Overall PSP vintage warmer is probably my favorite. -
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Sun, September 9, 2007 - 10:24 PMThere is a Analog or Tube Warmth Rack option that I will put on the Master Buss in Live 6 that seems to also serve as a limiter. Verrrrry Niiiiice! -
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Mon, September 10, 2007 - 9:43 AMYa, I'm using that too. Analog warmth or heavy ambience. I forget the name. -
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Mon, October 15, 2007 - 12:58 PMPSP Vintage Warmer...? Any special reasons? Izotope's Ozone looks very good...
Any special settings with the Analog Warmth plug in Ableton... or, is the default adequate?
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Mon, October 15, 2007 - 1:35 PMDon't want to imply that this is my specialty but...I like using just a little compression. If you want to go analog, the Keelly pedal just KILLS. Compression is one of those things that is easily over used-not everything in a mix should be even. Maybe go through your track and look to where you want compression to happen and turn it on there...
Also-check out the Waves compressors and play with Aura Exciters-you may need that more than compression-
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Mon, October 15, 2007 - 3:32 PMAura Exciters? I looked at thier site and searched for Aura Exciters... no results...
Is it a part of a specific plug from Waves? -
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Mon, October 15, 2007 - 6:33 PMAural Exciters. Also called Harmonic Exciters. They add a nice sparkle to the higher frequencies. Ozone has one. I love it, but you have to be judicious in it's use. I generally use only the barest amount with Ozone. Between 0.5-2 db is often plenty.
Here's some free plugs.
www.audiomastermind.com/browse...-1.html
And here's a plugin version of the BBE Sonic Maximizer which is based on their highly praised hardware models.
www.bbesound.com/products/...plugin.asp
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Wed, October 17, 2007 - 9:26 PMOzone Izotope looks like it does just about everything... is there any reason to use anything else? -
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Sat, October 20, 2007 - 7:40 PMI really like it but, I have heard that there are MUCH better compression programs like the WAVES Renaissance Bundle (it does cost a bit more though....I also hear the PSP vintage warmer is quite nice as well and may even be better than OZONE).
www.myspace.com/mortal_engines -
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Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:01 AMI have both Waves and Ozone and I prefer Ozone. It sounds warmer and more musical to my ears. -
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Mon, October 22, 2007 - 10:31 PMReally? That's cool since I already have Ozone. I use it regularly but, I was always of the impression that the Wave's bundles were supposed to be far superior. -
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Mon, October 22, 2007 - 10:37 PMOh hey Craig, thanks for the audio mastermind link....that is a great little resource! -
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Tue, October 23, 2007 - 9:58 AMYeah, I don't know what it is. The Waves plugins do sound good, and I use the for other things, but for mastering I just seem to get better results with Ozone. -
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Tue, October 23, 2007 - 4:49 PMAhh...that makes sense. I was really thinking about compression on individual tracks when I referred to Waves (kind of surprised they don't have a multiband compressor in their bundle though). I have used Ozone on drum loops in the past though to a really nice effect. Reaktor 5's Flatblaster does a really nice job on drum loops too (makes em all big n' crunchy). -
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Tue, October 23, 2007 - 6:06 PMWaves does have a multiband. The C4 is a multiband expander, limiter, and compressor.
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