Tribe.net. Local Connections Craig 2.5 http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#5f4455db-6255-432e-8574-4466b7253bbb 2007-10-24T01:06:34Z 2007-10-24T01:06:34Z

Waves does have a multiband. The C4 is a multiband expander, limiter, and compressor.

Craig 2.5 2007-10-24T01:06:34Z Don http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#29c1fca2-4bfc-4916-8f20-1227685b007a 2007-10-23T23:49:50Z 2007-10-23T23:49:50Z

Ahh...that makes sense. I was really thinking about compression on individual tracks when I referred to Waves (kind of surprised they don't have a multiband compressor in their bundle though). I have used Ozone on drum loops in the past though to a really nice effect. Reaktor 5's Flatblaster does a really nice job on drum loops too (makes em all big n' crunchy).

Don 2007-10-23T23:49:50Z Craig 2.5 http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#5c96cbb6-f08d-46e5-a249-5944a4cda6e5 2007-10-23T16:58:29Z 2007-10-23T16:58:29Z

Yeah, I don't know what it is. The Waves plugins do sound good, and I use the for other things, but for mastering I just seem to get better results with Ozone.

Craig 2.5 2007-10-23T16:58:29Z Don http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#8f362d7f-d0f7-4c7e-9710-08db9173a3ab 2007-10-23T05:37:01Z 2007-10-23T05:37:01Z

Oh hey Craig, thanks for the audio mastermind link....that is a great little resource!

Don 2007-10-23T05:37:01Z Don http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#e29b5857-1ece-4174-8731-aa2759298ab2 2007-10-23T05:31:20Z 2007-10-23T05:31:20Z

Really? That's cool since I already have Ozone. I use it regularly but, I was always of the impression that the Wave's bundles were supposed to be far superior.

Don 2007-10-23T05:31:20Z Craig 2.5 http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#0a0b1a8f-49ca-41bb-a375-765eb9bede02 2007-10-22T07:01:04Z 2007-10-22T07:01:04Z

I have both Waves and Ozone and I prefer Ozone. It sounds warmer and more musical to my ears.

Craig 2.5 2007-10-22T07:01:04Z Don http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#a8961c35-345c-4147-a804-5166c04063fc 2007-10-21T02:40:04Z 2007-10-21T02:40:04Z

I really like it but, I have heard that there are MUCH better compression programs like the WAVES Renaissance Bundle (it does cost a bit more though....I also hear the PSP vintage warmer is quite nice as well and may even be better than OZONE). www.myspace.com/mortal_engines

Don 2007-10-21T02:40:04Z Sky Makai Doherty ॐ http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#2fd2cf73-3a00-4f74-881c-b7aef9025f7b 2007-10-18T04:26:52Z 2007-10-18T04:26:52Z

Ozone Izotope looks like it does just about everything... is there any reason to use anything else?

Sky Makai Doherty ॐ 2007-10-18T04:26:52Z joel http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#38e25776-2f08-495a-a466-7e174d714252 2007-10-16T19:50:43Z 2007-10-16T19:50:43Z

http://www.aphex.com/204.htm Definitely good suggestions from Craig 2.0!

joel 2007-10-16T19:50:43Z Craig 2.5 http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#609b5eeb-e5e4-4eb6-8cc6-f4ec1618d374 2007-10-16T01:33:55Z 2007-10-16T01:33:55Z

Aural Exciters. Also called Harmonic Exciters. They add a nice sparkle to the higher frequencies. Ozone has one. I love it, but you have to be judicious in it's use. I generally use only the barest amount with Ozone. Between 0.5-2 db is often plenty. Here's some free plugs. http://www.audiomastermind.com/browse-harmonic_exciters-5887012-1.html And here's a plugin version of the BBE Sonic Maximizer which is based on their highly praised hardware models. http://www.bbesound.com/products/maxim/newplugin.asp

Craig 2.5 2007-10-16T01:33:55Z Sky Makai Doherty ॐ http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#48b3cf8c-5aff-4904-8fcc-9877d3fd3453 2007-10-15T22:32:24Z 2007-10-15T22:32:24Z

Aura Exciters? I looked at thier site and searched for Aura Exciters... no results... Is it a part of a specific plug from Waves?

Sky Makai Doherty ॐ 2007-10-15T22:32:24Z joel http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#1afebcf5-7b8e-450f-adcc-033ffc27d82f 2007-10-15T20:35:47Z 2007-10-15T20:35:47Z

Don't want to imply that this is my specialty but...I like using just a little compression. If you want to go analog, the Keelly pedal just KILLS. Compression is one of those things that is easily over used-not everything in a mix should be even. Maybe go through your track and look to where you want compression to happen and turn it on there... Also-check out the Waves compressors and play with Aura Exciters-you may need that more than compression- IMHO-LOL! Just suggestions...

joel 2007-10-15T20:35:47Z Sky Makai Doherty ॐ http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#488b9300-5243-4930-80db-a8dd462f06c5 2007-10-15T19:58:38Z 2007-10-15T19:58:38Z

PSP Vintage Warmer...? Any special reasons? Izotope's Ozone looks very good... Any special settings with the Analog Warmth plug in Ableton... or, is the default adequate?

Sky Makai Doherty ॐ 2007-10-15T19:58:38Z sAro? http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#6c6bf7c5-fdac-406f-9ed8-0c9f01ce0d5b 2007-09-10T16:43:36Z 2007-09-10T16:43:36Z

Ya, I'm using that too. Analog warmth or heavy ambience. I forget the name.

sAro? 2007-09-10T16:43:36Z Don http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#b515d3f4-485f-4e91-a89f-b400fbb5689c 2007-09-10T05:24:46Z 2007-09-10T05:24:46Z

There is a Analog or Tube Warmth Rack option that I will put on the Master Buss in Live 6 that seems to also serve as a limiter. Verrrrry Niiiiice!

Don 2007-09-10T05:24:46Z $item.owner.firstName http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#a1f88c56-dbd9-4f54-89c9-f8e586302bf9 2007-09-05T19:56:41Z 2007-09-05T19:56:41Z

Don't use compression on the Master output. Use A limiter if anything. If you want a sort of magical ARS style limiting then I highly recommend either the PSP Vintage Warmer, Waves L-2 Ultramaximizer, Wavearts Final Plug (much cheaper than waves as well), or Izotope's Ozone. Overall PSP vintage warmer is probably my favorite.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-09-05T19:56:41Z sAro? http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#424beeb4-5959-4d68-b21f-e8c88a910135 2007-09-05T16:17:59Z 2007-09-05T16:17:59Z

Okay, okay. Thanks for saying.

sAro? 2007-09-05T16:17:59Z Jc'Keys http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#b07fdc3c-efd6-41fc-8edc-3e00363019fd 2007-09-05T13:14:29Z 2007-09-05T13:14:29Z

dude.....u are helping out people by expressing ur opinions....

Jc'Keys 2007-09-05T13:14:29Z Sky Makai Doherty ॐ http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#318294e1-bbdf-4a67-9843-5cf9dd173049 2007-09-05T01:45:34Z 2007-09-05T01:45:34Z

no no, I do appriciate your info... saturation is something I'm new to... so, I see this as really utilizing a thread. thanks.

Sky Makai Doherty ॐ 2007-09-05T01:45:34Z sAro? http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#c4c7f80e-8703-4874-9fc6-06c993eebbc8 2007-09-03T23:20:29Z 2007-09-03T23:20:29Z

I highly recommend not compressing the track overall. I've heard people state this on some other boards, but compression has brought us to the land of "whet the hell are dynamics (variances in musical volume)?" If you over compress, you get no dynamics. I get all the umph I need from minimal use of compression where I want it in the track. Sad thing about compressing in live is that there is no side chaining (yet - fingers crossing and all). Now, all this depends on the style of music that you're making IMHO. If you're making bangin' arse Trance or hard house, go ahead and max out the compression. But if it's something more subtle, you might want to use compression more sparingly as I do on your drums and your bass lines to make sure that they don't muddy up. If you need to make something stand out more that is too quiet in the mix, try saturation - it works well for me. I'm not savvy on any plug in compression right now. Sorry if I'm more spouting my opinion than helping, but this is an issue that I take to heart. I miss dynamics.

sAro? 2007-09-03T23:20:29Z Sky Makai Doherty ॐ http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#af04f481-3f5a-4f7e-84d6-9ad5f5616ca5 2007-09-03T19:33:57Z 2007-09-03T19:33:57Z

so, when you're ready to render your tracks into a wave file, and you want your song to have the "umph" that you intend, but not lose anything important... which compression program do you use?.. or, do you use one in live?

Sky Makai Doherty ॐ 2007-09-03T19:33:57Z