http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#5f4455db-6255-432e-8574-4466b7253bbb Waves does have a multiband. The C4 is a multiband expander, limiter, and compressor. Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:06:34 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#5f4455db-6255-432e-8574-4466b7253bbb Craig 2.5 2007-10-24T01:06:34Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#29c1fca2-4bfc-4916-8f20-1227685b007a Ahh...that makes sense. I was really thinking about compression on individual tracks when I referred to Waves (kind of surprised they don't have a multiband compressor in their bundle though). I have used Ozone on drum loops in the past though to a really nice effect. Reaktor 5's Flatblaster does a really nice job on drum loops too (makes em all big n' crunchy). Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:49:50 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#29c1fca2-4bfc-4916-8f20-1227685b007a Don 2007-10-23T23:49:50Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#5c96cbb6-f08d-46e5-a249-5944a4cda6e5 Yeah, I don't know what it is. The Waves plugins do sound good, and I use the for other things, but for mastering I just seem to get better results with Ozone. Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:58:29 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#5c96cbb6-f08d-46e5-a249-5944a4cda6e5 Craig 2.5 2007-10-23T16:58:29Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#8f362d7f-d0f7-4c7e-9710-08db9173a3ab Oh hey Craig, thanks for the audio mastermind link....that is a great little resource! Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:37:01 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#8f362d7f-d0f7-4c7e-9710-08db9173a3ab Don 2007-10-23T05:37:01Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#e29b5857-1ece-4174-8731-aa2759298ab2 Really? That's cool since I already have Ozone. I use it regularly but, I was always of the impression that the Wave's bundles were supposed to be far superior. Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:31:20 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#e29b5857-1ece-4174-8731-aa2759298ab2 Don 2007-10-23T05:31:20Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#0a0b1a8f-49ca-41bb-a375-765eb9bede02 I have both Waves and Ozone and I prefer Ozone. It sounds warmer and more musical to my ears. Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:01:04 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#0a0b1a8f-49ca-41bb-a375-765eb9bede02 Craig 2.5 2007-10-22T07:01:04Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#a8961c35-345c-4147-a804-5166c04063fc I really like it but, I have heard that there are MUCH better compression programs like the WAVES Renaissance Bundle (it does cost a bit more though....I also hear the PSP vintage warmer is quite nice as well and may even be better than OZONE). www.myspace.com/mortal_engines Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:40:04 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#a8961c35-345c-4147-a804-5166c04063fc Don 2007-10-21T02:40:04Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#2fd2cf73-3a00-4f74-881c-b7aef9025f7b Ozone Izotope looks like it does just about everything... is there any reason to use anything else? Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:26:52 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#2fd2cf73-3a00-4f74-881c-b7aef9025f7b Sky Makai Doherty ॐ 2007-10-18T04:26:52Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#38e25776-2f08-495a-a466-7e174d714252 http://www.aphex.com/204.htm Definitely good suggestions from Craig 2.0! Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:50:43 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#38e25776-2f08-495a-a466-7e174d714252 joel 2007-10-16T19:50:43Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#609b5eeb-e5e4-4eb6-8cc6-f4ec1618d374 Aural Exciters. Also called Harmonic Exciters. They add a nice sparkle to the higher frequencies. Ozone has one. I love it, but you have to be judicious in it's use. I generally use only the barest amount with Ozone. Between 0.5-2 db is often plenty. Here's some free plugs. http://www.audiomastermind.com/browse-harmonic_exciters-5887012-1.html And here's a plugin version of the BBE Sonic Maximizer which is based on their highly praised hardware models. http://www.bbesound.com/products/maxim/newplugin.asp Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:33:55 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#609b5eeb-e5e4-4eb6-8cc6-f4ec1618d374 Craig 2.5 2007-10-16T01:33:55Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#48b3cf8c-5aff-4904-8fcc-9877d3fd3453 Aura Exciters? I looked at thier site and searched for Aura Exciters... no results... Is it a part of a specific plug from Waves? Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:32:24 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#48b3cf8c-5aff-4904-8fcc-9877d3fd3453 Sky Makai Doherty ॐ 2007-10-15T22:32:24Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#1afebcf5-7b8e-450f-adcc-033ffc27d82f Don't want to imply that this is my specialty but...I like using just a little compression. If you want to go analog, the Keelly pedal just KILLS. Compression is one of those things that is easily over used-not everything in a mix should be even. Maybe go through your track and look to where you want compression to happen and turn it on there... Also-check out the Waves compressors and play with Aura Exciters-you may need that more than compression- IMHO-LOL! Just suggestions... Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:35:47 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#1afebcf5-7b8e-450f-adcc-033ffc27d82f joel 2007-10-15T20:35:47Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#488b9300-5243-4930-80db-a8dd462f06c5 PSP Vintage Warmer...? Any special reasons? Izotope's Ozone looks very good... Any special settings with the Analog Warmth plug in Ableton... or, is the default adequate? Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:58:38 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#488b9300-5243-4930-80db-a8dd462f06c5 Sky Makai Doherty ॐ 2007-10-15T19:58:38Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#6c6bf7c5-fdac-406f-9ed8-0c9f01ce0d5b Ya, I'm using that too. Analog warmth or heavy ambience. I forget the name. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:43:36 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#6c6bf7c5-fdac-406f-9ed8-0c9f01ce0d5b sAro? 2007-09-10T16:43:36Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#b515d3f4-485f-4e91-a89f-b400fbb5689c There is a Analog or Tube Warmth Rack option that I will put on the Master Buss in Live 6 that seems to also serve as a limiter. Verrrrry Niiiiice! Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:24:46 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#b515d3f4-485f-4e91-a89f-b400fbb5689c Don 2007-09-10T05:24:46Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#a1f88c56-dbd9-4f54-89c9-f8e586302bf9 Don't use compression on the Master output. Use A limiter if anything. If you want a sort of magical ARS style limiting then I highly recommend either the PSP Vintage Warmer, Waves L-2 Ultramaximizer, Wavearts Final Plug (much cheaper than waves as well), or Izotope's Ozone. Overall PSP vintage warmer is probably my favorite. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:56:41 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#a1f88c56-dbd9-4f54-89c9-f8e586302bf9 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-05T19:56:41Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#424beeb4-5959-4d68-b21f-e8c88a910135 Okay, okay. Thanks for saying. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:17:59 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#424beeb4-5959-4d68-b21f-e8c88a910135 sAro? 2007-09-05T16:17:59Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#b07fdc3c-efd6-41fc-8edc-3e00363019fd dude.....u are helping out people by expressing ur opinions.... Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:14:29 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#b07fdc3c-efd6-41fc-8edc-3e00363019fd Jc'Keys 2007-09-05T13:14:29Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#318294e1-bbdf-4a67-9843-5cf9dd173049 no no, I do appriciate your info... saturation is something I'm new to... so, I see this as really utilizing a thread. thanks. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:45:34 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#318294e1-bbdf-4a67-9843-5cf9dd173049 Sky Makai Doherty ॐ 2007-09-05T01:45:34Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#c4c7f80e-8703-4874-9fc6-06c993eebbc8 I highly recommend not compressing the track overall. I've heard people state this on some other boards, but compression has brought us to the land of "whet the hell are dynamics (variances in musical volume)?" If you over compress, you get no dynamics. I get all the umph I need from minimal use of compression where I want it in the track. Sad thing about compressing in live is that there is no side chaining (yet - fingers crossing and all). Now, all this depends on the style of music that you're making IMHO. If you're making bangin' arse Trance or hard house, go ahead and max out the compression. But if it's something more subtle, you might want to use compression more sparingly as I do on your drums and your bass lines to make sure that they don't muddy up. If you need to make something stand out more that is too quiet in the mix, try saturation - it works well for me. I'm not savvy on any plug in compression right now. Sorry if I'm more spouting my opinion than helping, but this is an issue that I take to heart. I miss dynamics. Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:20:29 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#c4c7f80e-8703-4874-9fc6-06c993eebbc8 sAro? 2007-09-03T23:20:29Z http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#af04f481-3f5a-4f7e-84d6-9ad5f5616ca5 so, when you're ready to render your tracks into a wave file, and you want your song to have the "umph" that you intend, but not lose anything important... which compression program do you use?.. or, do you use one in live? Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:33:57 GMT http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/34b67932-daf8-4a6e-9a0d-bc08b020a37b#af04f481-3f5a-4f7e-84d6-9ad5f5616ca5 Sky Makai Doherty ॐ 2007-09-03T19:33:57Z