Tribe.net. Local Connections sAro? http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#700db330-1130-4247-acd6-01c2a03e1478 2009-05-16T12:22:55Z 2009-05-16T12:22:55Z

Is there any at least marginal improvement to the latency of record in from live instruments (I know there is a better way to say this...lol). For instance, I've never been able to plug in my guitar and land on the 1 when recording - always a 64th off or so.

sAro? 2009-05-16T12:22:55Z $item.owner.firstName http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#e5f496e8-b162-4b18-99e1-0c00e5bff4f2 2009-04-24T03:16:31Z 2009-04-24T03:16:31Z

Yea I used to use a combination of Soundforge, Wavelab, and Cool Edit back when I did ALL of my production on the pc. I liked them all for different tasks. Cool Edit for it's built in effects and (at the time very high quality) Noise reduction tools. Wavelab for it's excellent metering tools and real time fx chain strip. But when It came down to quick intuitive edting, soundforge was my favorite. Some of the most useful functions of soundforge were the "acid looping tools" toolbar. Basically quick buttons for doubling or halfing a selection. Or scooting a whole selection backwards or forwards by the length of itself. It made it so easy to quickly chop loops out of long recordings and such. I also absolutely adore scroll wheel zooming. And that was the 1st thing that made me start taking Reaper a little bit more seriously. I do most of my production on OSX but still have pc projects as well so I still DO have Soundforge and Wavelab available to me. But I don't always have to bounce shit back and forth so thats why I was struggling to find an osx editor that I actually liked. As far as peak, I feel like it's just overall clunky feeling and bloated with so many features that I would never use. And it's really expensive if you were to actually buy it. As for Soundtrack Pro. I tried to make due with it but it's just buggy as shit. And slow. What it Does have going for it is that it is bundled with Logic Pro's excellent fx plugins. As for Audacity. I actually found it just a tad easier to use but at the same time even More buggy than ever. And it's not a destructive editor like it appears to be. But thats fine because Reaper isn't either. But it's highly configurable and very fast. Not only can you customize all of the key commands but you can create custom key command combination Macros within the program. Very cool. Reaper can sometimes be a little bit buggy as well and is not without it's own little quirks. But even then, for me it works faster and more solid than these other 'Big Boy' programs. And reaper is Cheap. Essentially free, actually. Because u can use it past it's trial period with no functionality loss other than a Nag Screen at startup:)

$item.owner.firstName 2009-04-24T03:16:31Z Señor Pájaro http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#bc8c4300-36c8-43cd-84ac-41cf8faab5cd 2009-04-24T02:31:15Z 2009-04-24T02:31:15Z

at the time keyboard magazine had a few articles on how to use the dx. i still remember thinking that the engineers might have been right in suggesting that people wouldn't understand/want to deal with the parameters of fm synthesis. it's a bit arcane, even after all of these years. soundforge is a great wave editor/mastering program. i found it to be pretty intuitive. wavelab is steinberg's answer to soundforge PLUS you get to use all those nifty vsts with it... you can use vsts with soundforge, but i it's not "right there" the way it is with wavelab--you have to do a work around of sorts. i prefer wavelab, but i've been using it for years and got used to "their world." for instance, you don't have to have a satellite program to burn cds -- you can do it right in wavelab AND it easily does continuous mix cds--disk-at-once burning, drop the markers where you want and put all the cd-text info in. one things i prefer about soundforge over wavelab (the only one i can think of) is that you can natively edit mp3s -- nice when you just need to clean something up real quick and you don't want to re-encode.

Señor Pájaro 2009-04-24T02:31:15Z Pr3st0n http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#ec038a85-7b60-4bf2-9699-7e2c74112a21 2009-04-23T22:46:14Z 2009-04-23T22:46:14Z

I tip my hat to you, sir. Programming a Yamaha DX seems pretty tough (although, I've only messed with one once). Well, that's two people that know 'what's up' who don't care for Bias. Maybe I'll just use Reaper, instead. What's up with Soundforge? Is it worth checking out? I've never heard of Wavelab (Googling now...)

Pr3st0n 2009-04-23T22:46:14Z Señor Pájaro http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#43313df1-6960-4955-ab68-8c0a523e9082 2009-04-22T23:12:14Z 2009-04-22T23:12:14Z

i think fm8 was geared towards people who'd used the yamaha dx/tx series <raises hand> although the question wasn't directed toward me about bias peak: peak always seemed really limited and having the same experience as the person you were *actually* asking (i.e., using sound forge and some of the other pc side editors) i found peak really frustrating. there are so many things you can do easily and quickly on sound forge, & wavelab (which i will never give up.) it's funny to think some pc programs are *easier* than mac os ones...

Señor Pájaro 2009-04-22T23:12:14Z Pr3st0n http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#24dc001c-1f2d-4980-a3f5-67317ef304ee 2009-04-22T16:00:42Z 2009-04-22T16:00:42Z

Hmmm...I was planning on demo-ing Bias Peak LE soon. What don't you like about it? I hadn't really thought of using Reaper just for editing audio, but that's a great idea, and the price is certainly right. I spent a lot of time getting to know some the new features in Live 8 last night: Collision, Corpus, the groove templates, the new warping system, the grouping function, the new Operator...wow...I think Live 8 is really effing awesome. No other DAW really feeds my creative side like Live. For me, it just facilitates more experimenting. I'm just starting to do more and more FM synthesis. I've been practicing with FM8 (which I love), but I think I may gravitate more towards Operator. It seems a bit easier to program, and sounds awesome.

Pr3st0n 2009-04-22T16:00:42Z $item.owner.firstName http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#58443a2f-1cb9-4095-9088-ec99d87a2740 2009-04-22T02:58:16Z 2009-04-22T02:58:16Z

Reaper is great. I don't like the midi functionality though. But the audio editing/handling is really well implemented. Reminds me of a cross between Sound forge, Acid/Vegas, cubase, and live. Reaper's routing and track handling is insane. Kind of wierd at 1st but makes so much sense once u learn it. Reaper has infact become my main audio editor under os x. And even though it's not even a real destructive editor, neither is Audacity which is what I was using before. I also messed with Peak and Soundtrack and cannot stand either of them. I was spoiled by learning Cool Edit and Sound Forge in the very beginning and I will say that os x Still has a huge hole in the destrucive Audio Editor market. Anyways, yae for reaper

$item.owner.firstName 2009-04-22T02:58:16Z Pr3st0n http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#71aed14e-fd4c-4dda-a8dd-27589db77399 2009-04-21T17:44:34Z 2009-04-21T17:44:34Z

That's a pretty critical assessment. It sounds like Live really doesn't "do it" for you? I guess I'm a bit surprised by your post because I've always been really, really impressed with Live and have found it to be a very innovative, creative, fun and solid DAW. It's definitely not Logic or Pro Tools, and Cubase's audio and MIDI editing are vastly superior for sure, but they're very different animals (on purpose, I think). Admittedly, v. 8 has shut down on me a couple of time so far, and I'm hoping the next update fixes whatever bug is causing that. Have you tried Reaper yet? It might be right up your alley.

Pr3st0n 2009-04-21T17:44:34Z $item.owner.firstName http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#0096987a-32c0-420d-acf9-fdc79b2ea8b8 2009-04-21T10:56:37Z 2009-04-21T10:56:37Z

Yeah definitely noticed the bugs, glitches and random shutdowns.. The warping engine and grouping of tracks is really nice I agree though I still think this should have been a 7.16 release as opposed to 8 I mean we have cubase 5 logic blah blah and reason 4.. Ableton is already on 8.. Something seems fishy with that.. There still isn't any surround capabilities and the multi band compressor does not allow you to route from individual bands "this is sucky" audio editing still doesn't let you edit left channel from right channel when slicing or stretching actually pure and simply it hasn't even addressed this as a possibility yet??? That's retarded.. In any case I can't wait for Ableton version 88,542.05 I heard it comes with a space shuttle that will take you all the way back home to Uranus.. I wrote to them letting them know what I expect from a quality daw and what my opinions were in regards to "8" they still waiting for a response.. Guess there working on that space shuttle..

$item.owner.firstName 2009-04-21T10:56:37Z $item.owner.firstName http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#36baf5c7-5688-4440-b455-be93ed0576bb 2009-04-08T18:19:08Z 2009-04-08T18:19:08Z

Yes there are a bunch of minor improvements in many of lives previous devices. Sound quality-wise, I can't say I've really noticed much of a difference there. But I DO notice a difference in the new Warping algorithms. The now default "Transients" algorithm for "Beats Mode" seems to sound a lot better. As well as the "Complex Pro" which actually sounds good , unlike the previous "Complex" mode, which just made stuff sound tinny and mp3-like. Also the new addon synth, Collision is really nice. Actually reminds me quite a bit of Logic's "Sculpture" synth.

$item.owner.firstName 2009-04-08T18:19:08Z Pr3st0n http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#756a273a-727e-44f1-8551-b8a69bb681c3 2009-04-08T16:03:58Z 2009-04-08T16:03:58Z

Thanks for the report. I've heard that they overhauled the synths (operator, analog) and most of the signal processing devices, to improve the sound quality. Have you noticed this?

Pr3st0n 2009-04-08T16:03:58Z $item.owner.firstName http://ableton-live.tribe.net/thread/427fd121-1f46-4171-9aec-90a98bbb9deb#7ccbddba-0dab-4199-9ad3-311554b8a9db 2009-04-07T21:58:38Z 2009-04-07T21:58:38Z

Downloaded and installed the upgrade yesterday. 1st impressions are pretty good. The new features, although not groundbreaking in a way, are certainly very welcome in Live and fully help it feel like even more of a complete (almost one stop solution) daw. Only thing is that it's running awfully sluggish and slow on my 8 core macpro desktop. I saw other peeps on the Abe Forum complaining about the same thing so it's probably just an early release bug. I expected some funky stuff from the 1.0 release but I still couldn't wait. After all, 1.0 users are essentially still beta testers. But yea, the new features rock. The new warping engine is tight and the whole groove pool concept is very nice. Grouping tracks is probably one of my fav things. You can shift click on a number of tracks and then hit 'cmd G' grouping them all. Then any processing you drop on the master Group header/track will be applied to all tracks in the group. It's like super simplistic busing. Awesome. The new Multiband Compressor also seems to sound really nice and has a really straight forward interface. Enhanced 3rd party plugin support is really good too. Now when u unfold the plugin parameters page you don't see a slew of hundreds of random controls to sift thru. Instead you see one 'Configure' button. CLicking it brings up the plugin Gui where all you have to do is single click on any knob or control and it will then appear down at the bottom. Very nice streamlining there. Although, I will report that at this time Reaktor still isn't really working under this feature (just as i imagined it wouldn't). Even after 'sorting and compressing id's' it still only allowed a few random parameters to even be seen for mapping by ableton. Anyways... All in all Im happy with it but I hope for a bug fix within the next couple of weeks.

$item.owner.firstName 2009-04-07T21:58:38Z