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Hey Folks,
I've had some issues which I'm guessing are common and most of you know the solution to. Before introducing MP3's to a set, I adjust the warp markers. I start 1.1 on the first downbeat after manually adjusting BPM. But when I introduce an audio clip sample or another warp marked Mp3 to the set, the downbeats often don't match up for the various songs. Is there a way to further automate this so that all the songs and clips beat match properly? Maybe I'm warp marking them incompletely? Or perhaps I should move the start points of most everything to the first downbeat so when the clips are fired they start at a similar beat?
The only other thing I can think of is having to cue everything..... But that seems like something Ableton does for us? Am I wrong?
Thanks!
Ian
I've had some issues which I'm guessing are common and most of you know the solution to. Before introducing MP3's to a set, I adjust the warp markers. I start 1.1 on the first downbeat after manually adjusting BPM. But when I introduce an audio clip sample or another warp marked Mp3 to the set, the downbeats often don't match up for the various songs. Is there a way to further automate this so that all the songs and clips beat match properly? Maybe I'm warp marking them incompletely? Or perhaps I should move the start points of most everything to the first downbeat so when the clips are fired they start at a similar beat?
The only other thing I can think of is having to cue everything..... But that seems like something Ableton does for us? Am I wrong?
Thanks!
Ian
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 11:22 AMWarping can be a simple or complicated process based on the complexity of the material. Some suggestions on warping techniques were given in this thread here: ableton-live.tribe.net/thread...39ceb6b -
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 10:09 AMFriends don't let friends play mp3 out on a system.
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 12:28 PMhey saro,
you wanna pay my extra baggage & lug my box around next time i fly to the states? after my record box got stolen a couple years ago the first thing i thought was "how much is serato?"
anyway, i know you're just funnin'.
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 2:20 PMI'm a live player with over 30 years
under my perfomance belt and have heard
every form of dissing from every
possible perspective, and as we
all know by now, cassettes will
"NEVER" catch on....so, I'm pretty
whatever floats the sonic boat
down a stream that flows for the
audience, who in live venue reality,
unless it is the extremely small # of
relatively rare upscale detailed
listener/gear geek fests, all about
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 2:41 PMHey, play digital all you want, that's not what I'm saying (and I was just funnin'). I just have an ongoing battle with people that don't mind playing mp3 on a system at a party/club. I'd rather q-tip too deeply - lol. Play wav aiff, whatever...but 128kbps is noticeable and not fun for the geeks in the audience. But hey, if you're playing for the geeks, you know this. If you're playing for the average listener, I guess I'm being hypercritical of people.
Funny thing here...I just burned some of my productions to disc to hand out at a party I played at and burned them all in mp3 to try to discourage people from playing them out. I want to give the high quality copies to people that want them and will use them. I'm a snob, I know. It's okay by me. -
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 2:44 PMAnd T, you know I'll carry that bag for ya. I'm young and spry (shhh, don't tell me I'm full of it because that will shatter my delusions). -
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 3:49 PMwell, I play a variety of "organic"
real time instruments and have
owned many varietys of hardware
that produce synth tones, both
abstract and reproductive of
"natural" tone concepts, how many
times have I handled, or ignored,
peoples personal preferences
simply due to that fact that the gig
would never have happened, at least
within anyone attendings budget,
if played/manipulated by, da, da, da, da, etc.
whatever type/focus/quality this or that...
and yes I picked up on the irony, having
developed a useful taste in the direction
of applying it to peoples opinions...the good
point is, that discussion of quality and intent
in arts is, always good, or not, depending
how attached or targeted one may be...
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 1:22 AM<And T, you know I'll carry that bag for ya. I'm young and spry (shhh, don't tell me I'm full of it because that will shatter my delusions).>
you're the best. nice "character lines," btw... ;) ...and as far as 128k goes--why do people even encode at that bitrate? have i played mp3s at that rate on gigs? yeah, and i've done other things in my life i don't feel good about, too. ;)
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 12:02 PMHey Goofballs,
Something tells me you've all beat this subject to death a million times..... How about answering my question....Though I hear you on the mp3 thing. I have to go through my files and dig out all the old junky low file sizes. What a drag.
But seriously....if I want to fire off a sample or loop and have it match well to a correctly warp marked song, how can I best do that? Should I set the start point on the songs and the samples always on the down beat? Does that make sense? For some reason I thought Ableton would beat match... Meaning not just line up tempo, but line up the beats. Sometimes it seems like Ableton is just lining up tempo. So the results can sound in time, but not good at all. Suggestions?
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 12:06 PMThat sounds funny, "how will the program match tempo and beats for me"? I see why people sometimes criticize how much the program can do for us!
Can anyone tell me how to set Ableton up to compose tracks, make the best song selection and also print flyers and post them around town for me? That'd be great too.
Ok, joking aside, I'd still love an answer to that question if possible.
Thanks in advance!
Ian
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 9:15 PMwhat about them mp3s that are 320 kbps, maaaannn? -
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 9:20 PMShut the hell up you son of a- Oh hey, boris!
I LIKE 'EM. NOW SOMEBODY TRY AND HIT ME.
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 5:33 AMlike everyone else said, if you're gonna use MP3s, at least use 320s! i'd DJ 320s (if i had much interest in DJing), but never play my own music live from 320 mp3s.
one thing to check is your global quanitization setting. it could be too big or too small and that is why you downbeats aren't matching.
i use 1/8 but that's from years of beat matching live hardware and the equipment we used at the time had the tighest hands on ability to nudge tempo with 1/8 quant (we used those goofy old Yamaha RS7000s...the stone ages, i know). 1/16 is a bit tight for matching beats unless your brain and fingers are super fast.
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 9:19 AMIan, to answer your question (I hope) the best way to warp a track is by setting the first track marker to the first solid downbeat (avoid intros as they my be confusing to Live). You can select a few different warping options and they all have their various uses. If you really want that intro in there, just warp back to the beginning. The important thing about warping a full track is to recall that what you are trying to do is discover the actual tempo of the song in BPM. If you can estimate it to begin with, you'll have a better time warping from what I've been told. It's not something that I do a lot w/ Live, but this should get you started. Sorry for the thread jack. -
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Re: NEWB: Matching Audio Clips and Warp Marked MP3's
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 9:20 AMAlso, Craig posted a very useful link in the second post on this thread. Use it.
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